In Reply to: 4's and Skill posted by ProBeware (Gold Member) on June 28, 2003 at 20:26:22:
I agree with Pro here on alts or team play on this ladder. I wont play people for reports in a team match or very rarely anyway. As far as some people leaving case to start their own league it was because of all the accusations with out proof you guys made and are still making that sours the stomach. Lets call a spade a spade for once. The accusations fly about how some people cheat yet to date no proof of this has ever been made. Pro states in the above post that in his opinion edging is not cheating and i have to agree but many still call edging a cheat, again its a matter of personal opinion.
As far as the comment about how honest cases was until the NOBS boys came back to cases shows a certain lack of tact. Once again accusations are made as a defense. If for once you would state facts and show proof of your facts then perhaps people would listen to your accusations. I know I would! My point here is "put up or shut up". Either show us the proof that people cheat or shut up about what you think but can't prove.
Pro, you and I have had our disagreements in the past and I am not looking to start a fight with ya Bro. In fact I enjoy BSing with ya and clowning around on the links like we do when we play. I am only trying to get you to stop with the accusations or prove that what you accuse others of is fact and not personal opinion. To slander others without proof is pretty low.
I took this same stand 3 months ago before I quit cases and I still hold to the same values. If you accuse someone of something as bad as cheating and can show no proof of the accusation but persist with the slandering of those people, you are in fact the one with a problem not the ones you slander. Im not saying no one cheats, that I cant know and certainly cant prove, I am saying that if you cant prove your accusations and or suspicions but continue to slander people without proof then you are as bad if not worse then a cheater. You are a bigot. But that's just my opinion. And please stop touting Wolf as the best there ever was, its sickening to see you brown nose him in such a blatant manor. No one is the best for long at anything, there is always some one better coming down the pike. I know that Wolf is top notch at TW2003 but the way you guys spin it he is a GOD or something. I sure would like to see Pro or Wolf out there risking the title on a regular basis in an open forum. I don't see that at all and either does anyone else. Its just to easy to call the people that have a chance at beating you cheaters as the defense for not playing them. Of course if you played them and lost you would claim they cheat just the same. Vicious cycle there. Hell wolf had a 34 in a row win streak, and going by your logic that means he must cheat! Only a cheater could win that many in a row. Oh wait that not me taking that what you guys said about Godofputts when he had a win streak bigger then that. Ahh what a double standard it would appear you have.
I for one could care less about 1st place on cases, although I do care and stand up for my friends and I will continue to stand by them until such time that someone can dissuade me of my belief in them. That would take proof of them being less then honest. So far no proof has be forthcoming. Lots of accusations but never any proof. WHERE'S THE BEEF I ASK. Show me and I will join your crusade to stomp out the cheaters. Don't show any proof and I will continue to stand up for my friends and my beliefs that people who accuse others falsely are of the lowest caliber.
Wrongway108
First off in my opinnon about the straight edge issue that has been mentioned till its older than dirt is not cheating. I tried to edge when i first bought TW2002 game and hell i never could hit it straight with edge so i got used to playing without the edge... THIS LADDER IS FOR CASES SINGLE'S!!!!!!!! ITS NOT A TEAM OR 4'SSSS LADDER SO I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT TO PLAY TEAMS FOR SINGLES LADDER POST TO LOSING TEAM. THERE IS A TEAM LADDER OF CASES AND I HAVE TRIED REPEATLY TO GET PEOPLE TO JOIN AND PLAY TEAMS BUT NO INTEREST BUT ITS FUNNY YOU GUYS PLAYING TEAMS DAILY AND POST ON SINGLES LADDER....MY OPINNION YOU SHOULD POST THOSE GAMES TO TEAM LADDER NOT THIS ONE.......AND FOR ALL THE OTHER ISSUES.....ROFLMAOOOO.........THOUGHT YOU GUYS QUIT AND STARTED YOUR OWN LADDER AND BOY IT WAS PEACEFUL AND VERY HONEST WHILE IT LASTED............