REPOST: The cards play themselves (From a post that I made on 6/13/03)

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Posted by angel_of_teamygin (Gold Member) (Ranked on Team Gin (Yahoo) Ladder) on September 12, 2003 at 11:48:46:

In Reply to: bad rule posted by si_me_llamo_mike on September 10, 2003 at 17:20:39:

In almost every card game that I play, there is a rule (Sometimes implied and sometimes stated), that deals with this situation. Simply Stated, the rule states that "The Cards Play Themselves".

What this means is that when the time to declare the cards arises, a hand is valued at its maximum potential, and not an arbitrary value dictated by the player. For instance, take a look at the following hand where either of 2 cards (7H, JS) will give the player GIN:

(KC KS KD KH, 8H 9H 10H JH QH, QS)

The value of this hand against a knock is 10 points (QS), because the remaining cards form melds. Unmelding the 3 kings (or any of the Hearts) would make the value of the hand more than 10 points, and possibly push an opponent over 200 points. In a card game with a real deck, the rules would not permit such actions. Online, however, there is nothing to prevent a player from doing so.

In my mind, this means that the whole issue comes down to the following question:

Should we allow a player to break the traditional Gin Rummy rule of "The Cards Play Themselves" simply because the online computer program allows the player to do so, or should we create and enforce a rule that dissallows the unmelding of cards?

I think that since unmelding goes against the spirit of the rules of the game (and would not be allowed in a regular game), it should not be allowed online either. Just one man's opinion.

-- ATY --

: this rule that says you cant unmeld our cards is retarded. in gin only tourneys they tell you that u must have gin to meld. team gin is regular gin. Why tell people how they can meld and unmeld their cards? This rule hurts people who are smart or creative enough in the game. seems to me...you play your hand how you like it...meld how you like it..and be strategic to get a team win. sigh..this ladder has only a few active teams and piling more rules will not help things.\
: mike

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: In almost every card game that I play, there is a rule (Sometimes implied and sometimes stated), that deals with this situation. Simply Stated, the rule states that "The Cards Play Themselves". : What this means is that when the time to declare the cards arises, a hand is valued at its maximum potential, and not an arbitrary value dictated by the player. For instance, take a look at the following hand where either of 2 cards (7H, JS) will give the player GIN: : (KC KS KD KH, 8H 9H 10H JH QH, QS) : The value of this hand against a knock is 10 points (QS), because the remaining cards form melds. Unmelding the 3 kings (or any of the Hearts) would make the value of the hand more than 10 points, and possibly push an opponent over 200 points. In a card game with a real deck, the rules would not permit such actions. Online, however, there is nothing to prevent a player from doing so. : In my mind, this means that the whole issue comes down to the following question: : Should we allow a player to break the traditional Gin Rummy rule of "The Cards Play Themselves" simply because the online computer program allows the player to do so, or should we create and enforce a rule that dissallows the unmelding of cards? : I think that since unmelding goes against the spirit of the rules of the game (and would not be allowed in a regular game), it should not be allowed online either. Just one man's opinion. : -- ATY -- : : this rule that says you cant unmeld our cards is retarded. in gin only tourneys they tell you that u must have gin to meld. team gin is regular gin. Why tell people how they can meld and unmeld their cards? This rule hurts people who are smart or creative enough in the game. seems to me...you play your hand how you like it...meld how you like it..and be strategic to get a team win. sigh..this ladder has only a few active teams and piling more rules will not help things.\ : : mike

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